Date: 2023-01-06 19:30 CET
Where: Jitsi Meet
Facilitator: Nathalie
Minutes: Nick
Participants: Daniel, Nathalie, Nick, Bruno
1. Opening
- 10 min Check in
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5 min ADMIN
- attendance (write down participants)
- duration: 1h30 total
- information: any (non-karrot) announcements? unavailabilities?
- Sociocracy Academy coming to an end
- Become a trainer (Academy) - Sociocracy For All Deadline to apply: Jan 14, 2023
- Nathalie joined Mastodon
- Nathalie Szycher (@nathaliesz@social.coop) - social.coop
- đ Nick Sellen đ» (@nicksellen@social.coop) - social.coop
- Daniel Waxweiler (@dwaxweiler@mastodon.world) - Mastodon
- Karrot (@karrot@fosstodon.org) - Fosstodon
- Bruno (@bruno@social.coop) - social.coop
- next meeting:
- next Wednesday co-working: Nathalie will join
- next friday general: it will happen
- pick facilitator for next week: you? your karrot needs you!: Vas or Nathalie as Backup
2. Consent to agenda
- 2 min
3. Review last weekâs Actions/Outcomes
- 5 min
- put the decision of not supporting the app on Play Store on the agreements list [Nathalie]
- itâs here! Karrot
- we had a term of 4 months
- I set both the âactive toâ and âreviewâ fields to april â we will review it when the term ends
- we can think of the best usage of those fields in the future
- write something on Karrot and get feedback on this workflow [Bruno]
- started working on this in the co-working
- new category on forum
- what is it about?
- how to organise the feedback we get
- eveluate the level where it should go
- workflow: receive feedback in Karrot group
- curate this content and put it on the forum
- organise by topic
- it will take shape as we go
- suggestion for this structure on the forum
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Log: incoming feedback in raw format
- issue of privacy
- ask person first if we may put it on the forum
- or just get url of the thread
- About the Feedback and ideas category - #2 by bruno
4. Discussion points
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festival plans within the Erasmus+ project [E]
- fetival idea is part of Erasmus+ project of 60kEUR
- runs out november, most money spent in/by august
- project co-ordinators paid a few hundred per month, money will not last so long
- project co-ordinator per country, Daniel co-ordinates for luxembourg
- festival planned to be in august
- focused on: belgrium, luxembourg, germany
- the festival is only 1/3 of the whole project
- some more possiblities on how Karrot could collaborate with this
- 1st obvious one is festival, will be in luxembourg in the countryside
- want some time dedicated for people only in the foodsaving community,pre-festival perhaps
- then âcolaâ (collaborate) festival, merging the two festivals
- so having a foodharing village for the festival
- curent thinking is 1st day closed, 2nd/3rd day open to general pulic
- so workshops for general public later, foodsaving, sociocracy, etc
- could be an opportunity for karrot people to meet, could have a stand, workshops, etc⊠workshops could be for movement or general public
- very flexible state right now
ideas welcome
- fairly offgrid festival, so less good for focused computer stuff
- size of festival? 50 people from foodsaving, movement, and more for general festival, 300-400 at least (ther pepole said no problem for 2000,3000 people)
- who is co-ordinator for germany? Jonas Heintz, ambassadar for saarbrucken, in leuven Bianca Drepper
- festival would be over a weekend
- childcare considerations? not planned yet
- could also do stuff before the festival
- would be cool to meet in belgium/luxembourg before⊠foodsavin leuven is also involved, could have a weekend to ourselves
- daniel already met with leuven, and discussed problems they have with karrot
- problems they both encounter with big groups
- 1st obvious one is festival, will be in luxembourg in the countryside
- Q: how do you deal with language? english as a common language
- Q: the bit before the meeting? could karrot make use of some of the funding for travel? (sleeping could be elsewhere?), have money for travelling, could imagine finding a thing for us coming, Daniel would think to provide room/food/etc, up for discussion
- Q: is it open to other countries to participate? can have different target groups. most of the money needs to go to the 3 countries, but could pay for people not from those countries to give a workshop, festival itself will be totally open, just more financial support for people from those countries
- bruno is surprised that Leuven is so big now! ~250 peeps
- reactions!
- Bruno: yayaaaaayayayyyy! very good idea! would be very happy to join, current situation is tough to leave for foreign lands having 2 small kids, not completely unlikely, seems a great opportunity! exited and supportive for everybody else, yeah, will see if maybe can make it, weekend makes it more likely, would be fun to be able to bring franz, maybe with informal childcare
- Nick: sounds really exciting, enthusiastic, brewing the idea to go on a trip and visit groups myself, meeting in person is very important, trip with a purpose, would be good anker points, first bit as a âbusiness meetingâ and also making connections with Leuven, Vas might be really interested too, festival sounds connecting, pluging into an wider community, appropriate for Karrot to have a presence
- Nathalie: pretty amazing! a bit overwhelmed by the potential of this funding, and a new experience to have such a big pot of money, esp. in the context of the festival (also with some mixed feelings in there), really nice to think of karrot and the connection, so would be great to be at the festival and do something. for the other meeting, got excited before about going to göteborg, how many team meetings do we want to do though? is 2x to luxembourg too much? could connect at the festival? and see each other in another place in europe? 50 people from foodsaving movement is way too small, could be many more who are interested (particular from german side), people travelling from all over Germany for foodsharing.de festival in Berlin. people might be up for joining from further away depending on how it is explained. some talks about it how aligned with foodsharing festival
- Daniel: happy to hear we find it cool, both ideas
how can we make it that both things work. more productive focus for pre-meeting and could work on something concrete, and festival more leisure. depends on how we are and how we want to set the focus. if trying to do stuff at the festival, they will be busy and/or not even present as lots will be going on. probably will meet cool people at festival.
- Vasilis in Nicks head: enthusiastic to meet
how to deepen our relationships with groups
- Bruno: rather focus on meeting Leuven, Luxembourg, more of a productive meeting, ideally doign both but maybe not having the time
- is there a deadline for us to decide?
- festival: hear back in February
- other meeting: 2 weeks from now, so Daniel can put it into the budget, meeting can happen anytime
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message input bug update [R]
- worst of the pot release bugs
- really fucking annoying to type messages
- ok I stop writing now
- Fix scrolling whilst typing long messages by nicksellen · Pull Request #2631 · karrot-dev/karrot-frontend · GitHub
- https://fix-message-input-scrolling.dev.karrot.world/
- firefox only problem
- needs more work still
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knowledge sharing: how to enable feature flag features [E] [Nathalie]
- at the moment itâs in the database
- opening a python shell and manipulating the data
- Nick loves sharing the knowledge
- maybe not the most useful thing to know
- given a limited time: focus on how to enable it for groups to do it themselves
- 2 types
- on/off (agreements)
- more than on/off (roles) - configure name etc
- that would need an interface in the settings
- another tab where activity types are
- start mocking up an user interface would be more useful
- support groups on how to use these features
- help people learning more tech stuff
- reactions:
- Nathalie: glad to finally talk about it! nice to know what it actually involves (a python shell on the server), nice to think about where we put our energy, motivation to learn about it shifted, nick and tilmann seem available enough to do it if needed, although would be more people to do. interface would make it obsolete.
- Bruno: interesting to hear about the role feature, didnât know how configurable it was with just a missing interface, and available for adding as many roles as the group likes, would be possible to configure more roles for the group (but the user interface for giving trust for other roles is not generic yet)
- Daniel: also interesting to hear, but no pressure
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call with recup [R]
- link to minutes
- maybe another Karrot group soon!
- we got two emails from groups in Italy right after each other, each had a diferent vibe
- other group more grassroots/activist/phd mission-aligned stuff
- recup doing a lot of foodsaving, in rome and milan, with ~80 volunteers (not sure if across both cities or not), do pickups and want to expand, they have different channels on a messanger, and sign into pickups via a google form.
- had a call with someone from recup and someone from frankfurt, pushing for recup to use a more specific software tool, felt like nice advertising for karrot
- a sense maye governance features, e.g. application, membership review, a bit overwhelming, currently in a process to figure out their goverance
- hard to find the balance of telling them about governance features vs telling them about the core activity-related features
- vasilis was encouraging them to just open a group
- they have a rome group! â Karrot
- fun to do these kind of calls, esp. when there are groups already
- get quite a few emails from individuals on the forum, but that can be a long path to getting started, so nice when there is a group already there
- reactions/questions/comments:
- Daniel: is it the first foodsaving/foodsharing group in italy? (there are groups⊠but the unique thing in recup is being in 2 cities, so mostly very local activities. there are some inactive groups in italy.).
- Bruno: wondering if italy has more informal stuff, e.g. in Spain experienced more informal relationships with stores, and a lot of individual foodsaving, like dumpster diving, informal relationships where someone knows someone working in the shop. level of organisation might be related to the culture. interesting to hear about recup. would be nice to do a followup, applying to group, seeing what goes forward. there is a followup call scheduled on march 21st.
- Nick: so many things going on under the radar, different cultures and different countries, in UK big NGOs see to be popular, motivating to hear that smaller groups exist, how to introduce the governance stuff? experienced this myself, 18 people on group now, didnât mention governance tools to them, is there an overall governance principle for Karrot, we could point people to those resources
UP next
- where do we store our agreements (forum, Karrot team, both) and how do we keep them updated (if more than one place) [E/D] [Nathalie]
- intro: the money agreement we had on the forum, the app/PWA agreement we have as an agreement in the group. Nathalie added the money agreement to the group agreements too. Do we maintain both places for agreements? To which one do we (as a team) refer primarily?
5. Actions/Outcomes
- engage with feedback workflow on forum [Bruno et al]
6. Closing Ceremony
- 10 min
- checkout
Appendix
What the letters mean
[R] Report (clarifying the information) - one person telling something to everyone, so everyone gets clarity on the subject, can ask questions, but not really discussion, etcâŠ
[E] Exploration (hearing reactions & ideas) - share our opinions, reactions, hear what everyone things, whatâs on our mind
[D] Decision (making a decision) - final step to bring it together to a decision
List of ideas
- making a tutorial(s), writing a manual/ handbook
- future roadmap, plan
- general direction for Karrot in the future? the conceptual part? more solid conceptual framework
- in-person meeting \o/
- âLegalizingâ Karrot? Building a legal structure we can use?
- bank account/ legal structure, open collective
- governance structure of Karrot/ Karrot âteamâ
- Server structure, connection with foodsharing.de and Kanthaus
- sociocracy and Karrot
- how sociocracy could support groups
- idea of commons
- if there are shared resources in a group = commons (e.g. a cargo bike) can this be supported by karrot. e.g. a feature for shared items? \
- finding partnerships to do some on the ground testing. related to a funding or part maybe. (the idea that Nick explained recently), a network, a movement, outreach a more specific one
- outreach: establish network and partnerships, maybe connecting with local movements
- re-contextualise Karrot towards a more-generalised tool
- a mind map of these ideas, to visualize and revisit them â have a focused session on this
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