Date: 2024-10-15 on Karrot
Facilitator: Nick
Minutes: Bruno
Participants: Nathalie, Bruno, Nick, Butze
1. Opening
- 10 min Check in
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5 min ADMIN
- attendance
- duration: 11 CEST
- information? any (non-karrot) announcements? unavailabilities?
- butze: will be in graz next week, might not make it to calls while travelling
- next meetings:
- tonight: community cafe at 18:00 CEST
- tonight: design process on roles/permissions 20:00 CEST
- tomorrow co-working: nathalie, nick, bruno, others? maybe matt dowse
- next week meeting: bruno faciliate
- pick facilitator for next week: Bruno backup
2. Consent to agenda
- 2 min
3. Review last week’s Actions/Outcomes
- reply to Zbigniew [Nick]
- find the pad with edits for agreement related to data interventions [vas]
- reply to armor coalition and re-activate group [Nick]
- did that
- communicate with LUX group about deleting one karrot group and take action based on mandate [Nick]
- ask Babette about payments between collectives [Nathalie]
- chat to Essen für Alle about switching to opencollective [Nathalie]
4. Discussion Points
- updates
- updated certificates on yuca
- message from person about commons etc.
- https://community.karrot.world/t/karrot-supporting-commons-economy/1907
- came to bruno via his university address
- comes from a foundation for human technologies in krakow
- had some trouble signing up to the forum
- info on self-host at the docs
- bruno will reply
- nice suite of tools he mentioned
- nathalie met them in SoFa community of practise, had an email chat
- maybe they’re not clear already if they were aware nathalie is also in karrot
- could open the idea for having a call
- intersection of design processes (roles and sanctions)
- on first sanctions call, we had karolina, joachim, and karrot team peeps
- became clear that it’s hard to perform the role of conflict mediation
- and working out who will be deciding on the sanctions
- so relates to roles a lot, circles, groups, etc…
- bruno working on map as the next step
- two ways going forward
- integrate with the roles
- or very minimal version (e.g. whoever has editing permissions can apply the sanctions)
- could discuss this evening if there is space…
- comments
- we also have membership voting process, not just editor roles doing things
- see the connection, but not a fan of merging, as it complicates things, hard to deal with
- roles would need to be more developed to plug in the sanctions, and not clear sense of what will come out of the roles
- keep updating each other with how things are going, but trying to keep them independent for now, and merge coming later
- thinking about what happens in the groups, features get very related
- takeaway from sanctions is the key difficulty of getting people into ther role of mediators
- selection process in FSW
- what if it does not work out?
- more important is how it can represent what the group does
- less important having the very detailed technical features
- we do have the problem of who gets to configure things in the group? who has authority to act?
- history feature helped with that
- see the design process as simplifying the complexity
- having the editor do the sanction is a default, then later we can see how a different role can be created
- in sanction design process, brought up a clear use case for a different role, or for sanctions work fallback on default of editor role
- use case of how to groups choose the people who can make decisions
- capturing the idea that we might want to review what a person sees when they get editor access, maybe can link that to more information, and the agreements, etc. at the moment you get an email and a notification, but could make people more aware of what you can do → trying to understand what would be the benefit of splitting up editor rights, trying to align what people do with things they have a mandate to do, including the roles
- useful to have updates/recap during these sessions since not everyone is present in all of them
Next:
- check opencollective (linking opencollective and karrot instance) [vas]
5. Actions and Outcomes
- reply to Zbigniew [Nick]
- find the pad with edits for agreement related to data interventions [vas]
- communicate with LUX group about deleting one karrot group and take action based on mandate [Nick]
- ask Babette about payments between collectives [Nathalie]
- chat to Essen für Alle about switching to opencollective [Nathalie]
- reply to commons person [Bruno]
6. Closing Ceremony
- 10 min
- checkout