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next step is signal group
4. Discussion points
updates
none
release
banner text, test on dev (Bruno has action item)
2 or 1 banner texts?
pre- release
at the time
check with Nick about pre-release banner
use text from karrot group for a forum post! and link this post in banner
Nathalie could do more testing in co-working tomorrow (if she joins)
feedback issue? high demand bug fix
if not now def next
but maybe nowâŠ
workshop Göteborg
Bruno has an idea!
karrot focused work, get together for the team, onboard new contributors like Wilhelm and others
foodsharing Sweden project side; Nathalie & Butze lots of experience with foodsharing, foodsharing focused workshop, maybe started outreach already and there is interest from other cities in the region
Bruno can organise places to stay
connections hard to establish online, get more Swedish people on board!
Bruno & Butze talked about March, spring-time
finance with project money as part of the development money (~7000âŹ)
reactions
checking the Bristol days pad (2300 EUR inc. Airbnb)
2k-3k sounds feasible
thinking about how much for travel expenses and how much for development
more interested in number 1 (Karrot)
can imagine being a guest for a workshop on number 2
donât know much about food safety. is it a big topic there? B: not really
Butze seems really interested, better candidate to lead this, maybe he could even bring Anton?
it would feel odd if introduced as a person from FS Germany
invite someone from Foodsharing is an idea
think we should start planning this now
the sooner we get to it the more likely
how long could it be? a week?
Bruno: could be as long as you wish! maybe span over 2 weekends, flexible from my side. have one whole weekend in this time frame
March/ April seem good
people are happy when spring starts, there is also a forest close by
donât use the membership review feature, partly from when it used to notify the whole group each time
people spread out around the town, donât always want to take positions about issues coming up
many people donât really understand the voting membership review feature
plan to write to karrot team in advance got a bit rushed, and they heard before, and it got chaotic
round:
nathalie:
Q: do you think the sanctions feature could have helped?
process seems well documented and fine
not so interested in all the details of exactly what happened within the group
reflected on our agreement, have all the pieces in place
need to follow up with the person
excluding from the group yes, but the what about from the whole instance? is that a question, would think âprobably notâ (exclude them from the whole instance)
would we act the same way for any karrot group? responsiveness, etc⊠probably not?
jay:
so many questions and so many things to say! have been thinking about it a lot
had a gut feeling, donât like it when we override some rules, put in place some rules, then block them kick them out, censor their messages
seems a lot of effort to make things fair, then override it, means structure is probably not good enough and need to adapt it
thinking of cases where it could be abused, e.g. where somehow has some power in an organisation and asks karrot to kick them out
surprised about decision to censor message, there was a previous case of somebody writing a lot of incoherent aggressive messages, but in this case message was just pointing out faults of the organisation
maybe could have been handled using accountability features within karrot (e.g. showing dates, etc.)
censoring a message gives a sense of something to hide, what if something is going on, do they have another way of reporting it
butze:
donât want to add much
excluding people from a group is harshest thing I know about from community
every case is crazy, experienced it a couple of times, and currently going through it in siegen, it causes ending of initiatives
have been a big hippy before saying noone gets excluded, but really changed my mind
would like to say âyesâ that sanctions would have helped⊠but a bit hesitant. Situation developed over years, complex. In this case rather ânoâ
tricky position to be in, board of a group and part of karrot team
donât think weâve overridden any processes
sense of trust is also part of our agreement, want to lift this up
trying to not talk about details, keeping a healthy distance for karrot team
team decision is still necessary
Proposal
rework our agreement
to include temporary restrictions pending further decision
to consider communication ways
to improve accountability by having an internal write-up of what happened
âAntrĂ€ge können grundsĂ€tzlich nur aus einer Hochschule bzw. gemeinnĂŒtzigen Forschungseinrichtung heraus gestellt werden.â
is Siegen interested/ doing this anyway?
oc newsletter had a bunch of ideas, see Money Flow place
Lush Charity Pot: Nathalie did apply once for foodsharing Festival, smaller projects, donât like funding travelling costs they write (but could try?), âsmall & easyâ, question of entity
didnât look at others
Eramus+: cooperation with groups, we are well positioned for that. foodsharing academy did it (Nathalie might get access to application form), how much coding? maybe design?
not very focused on that nowâŠ
Karrot does Göteborg
what needs to be done to make it happen?
create a place?
confirm definit interest from karrot team
find a time period
combine with foodsharing Sweden workshops and karrot workshops â needs planning
how does it fit in the foodsharing Sweden timeline?
instance up and running
started outreach campaign
more realistic: maybe we wonât have that⊠depends on when
time to work on this together
thinking of March⊠and set-up instance together
or April/ May weâd have the instance already and some groups from Sweden to come as well (more optimistic), could work on other karrot things
some confusion about money left on peopleâs account. Is the 6000 EUR on Nickâs account correct? Did he transfer part of it?
for now we trust whatâs on the pad, gotta check again with Nick
-880,00âŹ/ month team members for October/ November/ December
Nick: 400âŹ
Nathalie: 250âŹ
still outstanding for Dec, 250 till the end of the year, ideally continue with this number, do not need an answer now. letâs see in Jan
Bruno: 0âŹ
keep at the same 0 rate, if we keep the same will last for 4-5 months, not counting the fsharing sweden money though
Vas: 230âŹ
need to give back 40
Vas needs to transfer the money to the OC then or keep them for Jan
Jay: 0âŹ
no updates, speaking about the money flow, bit stalled on the app for financial planning, thinking of how transfers could be recorded, plan to come up with a solution for the financial planning
Butze: 0âŹ
next steps
check with Nick on overall balance
Nathalie & Nick do outstanding payments
bring back to meeting in Jan for ongoing payments
work on Foodsharing Sweden [bruno]
update and share some questions and thoughts, no need to decide now
admin and money related, how to deal with the money
checked with Wilhelm, if would be interested in working in this project
how we deal with the money flow?
we have a budget 73.000 SEK which is 6-7k in euros and need to deliver
instance for sweden, with some custom standing pages, menu, landing page etc
check with nick and the plugin system
could cover things such as travelling to gotenburg
Jay:
interested on the trip
Nat:
understood that instance is not on Karrot, but support and development can be
would like to define responsibilities (deliverables), which is on Karrot level and which on FSS?
balance internal needs and paying non karrot team members, different payrates possible tension
Vas:
also same questions above
Bruno:
idea to organise a meetup in gotenburg, for team-reunions but also organise a workshop
the instance is not for the karrot-team to deliver
aiming to take care of it locally
there might be also some cost there
distribution of money is a bit tricky, do a partnership with karrot, be delivering this for this amount of money
Jay
could try to help, but also has a full-time job
Nathalie
likes Brunoâs project manager alter ego
what needs to be delivered?
karrotâs part could also be âtraining and supportâ
Bruno
Ɣhat needs to be done from fs sweden side:
deployment of own instance
customisation of landing page
add other static pages to karrot instance
also looking for someone to do design
karrot could also turn this to a bigger project
Vas
part of fs sweden budget is allocated to karrot? outsourcing to another community?
Bruno: yes
next steps
further clarify tasks and do âmilestonesâ (money and who is doing what) nlnet-style, could include Wilhelm in that
