Date: 2022-04-13 20:00 (UTC+1)
Facilitator: Bruno
Participants: John, Vasilis, Nick, Natahalie, Dave, Bruno
1. Check in
- agree duration 1,5h
- checkin
2. Defining the Challenge
- what does breaking the silo mean?
- community organizing exists in an ecosystem, part of a wider network
- modes of interaction with ppl outside the group:
- other Karrot groups
- general public
- people who somehow interact with the group but are not actually part of it
- groups usually use other tools for these interactions (telegram, facebook, etc)
- don’t feel so enthusiaastic about breaking the silo because there’s so much to do within the group
- question: does breaking the silo mean “to make volunteering easier”, in terms of governance and organizing
- get more people to take more responsibilities other than just doing pick-ups (beyond the pickup machine)
- is it about between groups on Karrot or other people doing foodsharing?
- unsure about the idea of making it easier for people to participate without joining the group
- people are overwhelmed by the tools or chatting apps, but engaged in many different groups for positive social change
- make it easier to share/participate activities, with low barrier: no registration
- started thinking with some use cases
- was seeing interactions on facebook, more consumer-like way of interacting, from the culture on facebook/society
- would be nicer to be able to interact with these people in another space, beyond just free food
- aim to establish better and less ephermeral relationships with people
- public space for a group, how people use facebook now, as many groups don’t have resources to set up own website
- a way to present information to public
- portal for contacting group from the outside, as currently need to sign up and apply
- also for groups contacting other groups, applying to group seems to much just for having a chat between groups
- misdirected messages can actually lead to inter-group connections
- how to lower the barrier for these interactions to happen
- considered creating a “sweden” group on sweden for that
- anonymous signup (without account)
- allowing for more integration of communications
- useful for food not bombs
- use email address, check don’t fill up all slots
- be able to take a link to a post in karrot to share that
- maybe configure per-place whether it’s public or not
- public places would have sharable URLs to share outside of karrot (without being signed up)
- then login to reply
- have a place that can allow anonymous posting
- other places can remain more curated
- allow allows (potentially risky) anon feedback within group
- allow for sharing things more widely than in group
- in food not bombs
- would have places for different things, cooking, food collecting
- … and then anonymous feedback would be useful, for people that wouldn’t want to become members of karrot
- benefit is to be able to keep it in one place
- different facets
- intergroup interaction, permeable boundaries
- people in periphery of group, maybe short-term volunteers, still want to join, but avoiding burden
- has risk of people interating in consumption mode
- … but maybe helps people on the pathway to join
- different groups on karrot communicating with karrot team
- in many groups people receiving food aren’t participating in group
- would be nice to break down distinction between those who receive and those who give
- more of a mutual aid model
- reality is people use a lot of tools
- should we encourage a model where everyone is on karrot?
- different groups have different models
- some consume all the food themselves
- others consume none, and share it
- and some in the middle
- long-term goals and questions
- example from previous on governance: Stage 1 - Defining the Challenge
thoughts for “long term goal” and tricky questions
nick
long term goals:
- allow groups to not have to use facebook
- support networks effects between groups and reduce questions coming to karrot team that we can’t really help with
- have effective ways to support “landing pages” for groups, and ecosystems of them…
- allow more effect “broadcast”/mass communication to wider networks of people
tricky questions:
- how to avoid being yet another fucking platform
- there is no universal messaging place to connect with, so how to work with “too many messangers” problem?
- how to include wider network in governance topics? … or rather, slowly bringing them in
- how to avoid “consumer-mode” interactions with these wider networks? (dissolve giver/receiver dynamic, support mutual-aid model)
bruno
long-term goal:
- enable groups to reach out to other people and create/strenghen relations with them
- facilitate organizing with people who are not directly part of the group
tricky questions:
- how to avoid the consumer model of volunteering
vasilis
long term goals:
- intergroup connections
- ‘outsiders’ motivated ppl that want to create foosharing initiatives
- groups and ‘karrot team’
- ‘volunteers’ from the periphery that simply want to test how it is to be in a group and how you avoid volunteers becoming pickup machines…
- ppl ‘receiving’ what has been saved
- academics, students that want to contribute/learn of the project
- karrot as a tool that can reach more ppl that have groups using other tools so far (outreach)
nathalie
- create communication channels/ ways to give feedback to groups for people outside a group
- make it easier to interact with a group
- have a space for a group to introduce itself better (like a group landing page)
- how to keep the self-organized spirit alive? how to introduce people to self-organization?
- what role plays the existing forum?
robin/dave
- make it easy for people to participate in positive change (Activites) without the feeling of being overwhelmed (tools, apps, chatgroups)
- make positive social and ecological impact through mikro-tasking (little tasks/activities where people can participate)
Actions/Outcomes
- write down a summary/shared long-term goals for the next meeting
- maybe a map too
- try to book a co-working
Closing
- Next meeting: 19th April 20:00 CEST
- checkout
