lot of hassle sharing links to different calling platforms
they change over time, e.g. jitsi switching to login required
pick an idea and do some creative work individually (sketch, write, read, just think, etc.)
present to the group
nick:
activity level, place levle, and group level calls
vas:
when you create activity, can add a call link
call recording, in the menu can keep archived video calls, e.g. introductory meetings
so idea for onboarding calls to watch (although introductory meetings are useful for actuall meeting people)
video as a medium, less about calls
can share a video on the wall
use camera/phone to record video directly and share that
or sharing feedback in video form
e.g. community garden, having information in a video, where context makes that useful (e.g. showing what you watered)
bruno:
have a video button on the activity, created by default for every activity
maybe only visible when joining the activity
open up in a new window fullscreen with simple interface, looking a bit like jitsi/bbb, clear button to leave room
having a room that is always available
if somebody joins, show there is a call in progress
like the idea of having it on place as well
also thinking about the chat, where does it fit?
thinking of use case for when having a call
having to create an activity first, wouldn’t fit some cases
maybe discussing something, and being able to join a call
so a call button on wall chat? place chat?
buttons for calls everywhere!
comments and reactions
three different “video as a medium” forms
video conferences
recorded videos
streaming/broadcast, e.g. live video feed
group bootstrapping
vas:
person says: “hey I want to set up a foodsharing group in athens”
reach our karrot forum, write back, there’s no group, but maybe you can develop an “idea group”
go to karrot, create idea group
on main map, can see different idea groups
visit idea group
about: a bunch of ideas people can share
resources
list of resources, e.g. bike, fridge, space → add more
then a checkbox against each resource, and who has ticked it
so you build up a list of what is needed
new interface! way simpler than a whole karrot group
chat room
group can get activated after, say, 3 people voted to be activated to say “we’re ready”
preview/mockup of real group before you activate, it so you can see how it’ll look
bruno:
start with “create group”
if you get +1 person that joins, have a chat 1-to-1, then 3 if someone else joins
concept is progressively scaling up karrot features, not everything shows
if you get 3 people, you can create activities
5 or more, roles get activiated, e.g. editor, or custom roles, and maybe agreements, “it’s time to get agreements!”
membership policy at some point, and membership review, offers…
making sense of size of group
maybe can have a place to see where it’s leading, like progress steps towards full features
on initial creation
title + description
then invite others, email invites
call to action → “this is my group, I want to do blah, and looking for blah”
send out bell notification to users nearby, and appear on map and listing of groups
discovery map would get more involved, more than just groups, look for “initiatves/projects”, etc… connecting phase
then first step is just sending a message, no application or anything
through the process start defining boundaries of the group
nick:
button “want to start a group” expressing intent
group proposal (vision, aims, purpose)
what stage (idea only, in progress, online or not)
number of ppl to join before being accepted
input e-mail adresses
link to share
person signing up via link, on the map or e-mail
lightweight registration
join and verify e-mail adress
ticks a box to show whether they are visible on the list of poeple who joined
once you’re in a normal Karrot group
initial agreement (like founding vision)
comments
really exciting! key area of improvement for karrot, starting up a group
noticed that karrot is currently most useful for groups already established, and others probably won’t look for karrot to begin with
people might get used to their other tools first, and not get used to thinking about governance/community principles, path dependency
might be simpler tools they initially use
nice idea to faciliate that process, it’s HUUUUUUGE
like how all 3 ideas had commonalities but also different, pick best from each
agree that simplicity is important to begin with
step 1 easy communication tool, but hard to counter, still another tool
likes resources things, community assets, what resources you got and need
likes the idea of bell notification to nearby people, perhaps doing that in a federated way on Activity Pub
groups decising collectively which features are unlocked or made available
what needs to be done to turn into reality, which resources and partnerships are needed?
a lot of overlap with sharedfutures
how do we advertise karrot as a place to start working on the idea of becoming a group/community
then by clicking the activate button, actually can start, on the same platform and start operating
big discussion
touches a lot on the discussions of public stuff on karrot, breaking the silo, doors not walls, etc.
more fluid boundaries, journies from one person to a many person group
outreach, question of communication, defining a bit better what we provide that is different/unique
uniqueness comes from what we shared already
groups starting with something very simple (why put effort to learn with new digital tool if project might not lead anywhere)
e.g. starting with whatsapp group, but end up being stuck there…
if first layer karrot group can be as simple as whatsapp… then transition is smoother to more full featured tool
e.g. if whatsapp had whatsapp+ with organising feature, would be positive convivial transition for a group
simple first layer for karrot…
how to turn these ideas into reality, aka “let’s make this shit happen”
resources? human, funding…
more people with skills in the team, or collaborators
can also think to do it all regardless, with slower path if we don’t have/get any more resources
a simple design process? discussions, research… ?
one way forward, to explore, what if karrot is not just a product/service, but research/practise project
so pull in different skills/research
quite a lot of academic people have passed through karrot, vas, philp, katie
build on this idea, as academic world has access to funding
if karrot had legal structure to join some research + practise things
fuel to try karrot in a diferent context?
people write x proposal on grassroots x … then action research, and see how to develop platforms for organising commons, land commons, tools, sharing, etc…
why every new EU funded project has to come up with another platform… that functions for a couple of years, then die off, why can’t karrot be part of that
how could this be an option?
have partnerships between pure academia research centres and businesses, don’t see why karrot can’t be eligable to be part of these
research + implementation
e.g. might come across a call, see somebody is starting from scratch, there is already a tool, that can be tested and adapted, and get funding, and test new features
also in our process of mapping and finding resources and connecting to others
need of interfaces to connect with others
legal entity
case studies, reports, narrative
connecting with Animorph and Peter about sharedfutures
put notes on new thread on the forum and add images
check out
Nicks sketches
Video calls
three pathways
add a video call to an activity
optionally a public link
perhaps a “who can join” (which role)
then shows up as an extra button on the activity if you’re signed into it
goes to call view
start a video call within a place
from the buttons at the top right on the place
then sidebar shows a call button next to the place
clicking, goes to call view
start a call within the whole group
maybe a new “action button” in the bottom right (could be used for other actions too, e.g. create activity, place, etc…)
has a dialog to ask if it’s for a place, whether to invite some users from the group, whether to make a public link
then goes to call view
call view
a bar along the bottom (obv. desktop view I’m thinking of) with the videos
you can see navigate around the rest of the site and it stays there
also a fullscreen button
I guess public link would be the full screen version only
input name, some kind of vision/intent/purpose as a “group proposal”
status of it (e.g. does it exist in some form somehow, or is it just an idea in the sky?)
how many people need to indicate interest to open it up (3, 4, 5, 6…etc)
some email addresses to spam send invites to
then it goes to a sort of holding/landing page, with a link to share until enough people are interested
… once enough people are, the group just goes into a normal karrot group
person exploring groups
might arrive by email link, shared link, or browsing the map/list
they view group proposal details, and see who is behind the initiative, and can put their email address to express interest to participate, also indicate if they’re happy to show their details to other potential people (can help to see if other people you know are interested)
email confirmation waiting step, to avoid spam signups
then in! … would show waiting screen until enough people are there to progress
would need to be a step to fill out profile info too, name, and optional image, and set password
When setting up an activity you have the option to add a link to a video call
Video calls can be recorded and then appear in the a new tab on the sidenav menu called “archive/videocalls”
-Karrot users can use video as a medium to share information. They can use their camera to record a video (e.g. to give feedback, for example a video of they food they have saved, a video of the part of the garden that they have watered if we talk about a community garden)
-they can share a video on the wall for example from an activist act they participated in
New members willing to create a group that doenst exist can form an ‘idea group’. On the main map the ‘idea groups’ appear and have a specific icon. New members can join.
-While in the idea group the interface is pretty simple and basic. There is an about, a resources and a chat. In the resources members of an ‘idea group’ can create lists of objects, skills etc which are important for the project. Members can tick what they can offer from the already listed or add new needs.
-When there is confidence a group can be activated let’s say after more that 3 members have clicked the ‘Activate’ button.
-there is another button where existing members can get a glimpse of how their Karrot group will look like when they become one
-This interface has to be simple but share similarities with the Karrot group interface so the transition is smooth.
creating a group is now progressive from the simplest feature to progressively unlocking all of Karrots features as the group grows in number of members
two or three people in a group will only have a simple chat interface
then with a couple more activities are unlocked
6-7 members will unlock roles and agreements
10+ people will unlock membership review and offers
when creating a group the following happens:
prompts to add name of the group and description
prompts user to write a call to action that will reach people by
inviting others by e-mail (send an invitation link that adds them to the group upon signup)
notifies people nearby
shows it on the map with a different icon and also on a list of initiatives/recently created groups
